Keep normal play first
The ordinary route gives the durable value: close-string recognition, stamina management, toad-mode branch reading, and recovery interrupts.
Bloodbath route notes
Bloodbath Gongsun Daye Route Notes
A forum-style Where Winds Meet Gongsun Daye desk that separates normal Bloodbath route notes from old-patch ranged-bait and corner-skip claims.
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Pinned Gongsun questions
This is a route thread, not a blind cheese repost.
The Gongsun sources are useful because they describe two different needs: learning the normal fight and testing shortcut behavior. The English page keeps those apart so a reader can practice the boss even if the old skip no longer works.
I want to fight Gongsun Daye properly. What should I learn first?
Start with close-range palm strings, Shadowless Kick stamina, and the three toad-mode branches. Those rows have the most reusable value across both normal and shortcut sources.
Can I use the ranged-bait or dodge-skill loop?
Treat it as an old-patch test route, not a current recommendation. The source itself leaves the later fix state unknown, so the page keeps the trick visible but quarantined.
Why does the fight feel unfair after I dodge the opener?
Most deaths come from stamina collapse during Shadowless Kick, greedy hits during toad mode, or mistiming the final red-light answer after a close string.
Where do Gongsun Deng and the corner route belong?
That belongs beside skip labels as a low-detail terrain or behavior claim. It should not be mixed into Gongsun Daye's normal boss route until current clips prove it.
Before the pull
Keep the boss lesson and the shortcut test in different lanes.
A useful Gongsun page should answer a practical question after death: was the loss caused by palm timing, Shadowless Kick stamina, toad-mode greed, recovery timing, or an old shortcut that no longer behaves the same way?
Stamina is the wall
Shadowless Kick is less about bravery and more about entering the row with enough stamina to dodge, turn, or answer the later kicks.
Interrupts are test rows
The sources mention interrupting recovery, but the current Global timing, skill terms, and behavior need clips before becoming final advice.
Cheese stays labeled
Ranged-bait, command-read, and corner-position claims are useful leads, but they should stay visibly old-patch or low-detail until retested.
Thread shape
Four Chinese posts become one English route ledger.
The page is arranged by reader need rather than source order: normal route first, risky skip rows second, then a proof queue for current Global behavior.
Search intent
The likely searcher uses Gongsun Daye, Grandpa Gongsun, Gongsun Da Ye, Bloodbath Gongsun, Shadowless Kick, toad mode, or skip/cheese terms after repeated deaths.
Lead with route notes and risk labels. Do not make the page only a translated cheese post.
Source shape
Two sources are practical normal-route notes; two sources are shortcut or low-detail behavior claims.
Split normal mechanics from skip claims so players can choose a route without confusing proof states.
Normal standards
The standard fight rows are palm combo, Shadowless Kick, three-punch-one-kick, toad jumps, blind/airwave, and wood-stake variants.
Turn each into a cue, practice answer, and proof-hold row.
Skip standards
The shortcut rows depend on ranged attacks during recovery, roughly measured spacing, Q-skill behavior, dodge-skill behavior, or a corner route.
Keep those rows in a visible hold state until current Global behavior is confirmed.
Proof queue
English boss names, skill mappings, AI command-read behavior, distance numbers, and old-patch dates all need verification.
Write as a route ledger with Global proof gaps, not a final current-client walkthrough.
Route ledger
Normal mechanics first, shortcut behavior last.
Each row is written as a fight note: cue, useful source read, practice answer, and what must stay on proof hold. That keeps the page usable without pretending every source detail is current.
| Row | Cue | Source read | Practice note | Proof hold | Status |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Setup | Approach, land a short hit string, then back out | One normal-route source frames the baseline as getting close for a couple of hits, then dodging back before Gongsun's close pressure starts. | Use the first pulls to learn how far you can stand without triggering panic trades. If you get clipped while attacking, shorten the punish instead of adding more damage. | Exact safe distance and current English boss label need Global screenshots or clips. | Normal route |
| Close string | Palm combo with a long-tracking starter and a red-light ender | The normal notes say the first palm tracks farther than expected, while the final red-light hit is the clean answer point. | Do not treat the first palm as the real punish window. Watch for the ender, answer the red cue, then spend a small punish. | Move name, exact deflect wording, and current tracking distance need proof. | Cue row |
| Close string | Three punches into one kick | The alternate normal source calls this a required response row and emphasizes the final red-flash moment. | Practice it as a short memory drill: do not mash early, and do not move into output until the last cue has resolved. | Exact hit count and deflect moment should stay source-labeled until Global clips confirm the animation. | Timing hold |
| Shadowless Kick | Long kick chain after close pressure | Both normal sources treat the kick chain as the stamina check. One route favors back-dodge and running around; the other notes selective answers to later kicks. | Enter the row with stamina. Back out early, turn with side dodges when needed, and preserve enough stamina for the final beats instead of trying to punish mid-chain. | Exact kick numbers, dodge direction, and current English move name need Global proof. | Stamina row |
| Toad mode | Triple jumping toad | The source warning is simple: greedy attacks before the jump row is solved cause avoidable hits, and camera angle can make the first hit hard to read. | Stop attacking when the branch starts. Use the row as a camera and rhythm drill, then punish only after the chain is over. | Exact camera behavior and current hit count need clip proof. | Branch row |
| Toad mode | Blind or airwave into leap pressure | The normal notes describe a visible phantom or airwave-style branch that leads into a dodge check, but the timing language is source-only. | React to the visible tell, not to a memorized second count. If the branch blinds or staggers you, reset space before taking damage time. | Do not publish exact seconds, blind duration, or cannot-deflect wording until current Global clips exist. | Proof hold |
| Toad mode | Wood-stake branch with red and yellow/gold cues | The sources mention red and yellow or gold cue variants. The safe source recommendation is to dodge the row; red may have a deflect answer but is reaction-heavy. | Use dodge as the public-safe practice answer for now. Keep any red-cue deflect route as an advanced test row. | Cue color, dodge timing, and red-cue deflect reliability need Global proof. | Color cue |
| Recovery | Gongsun regains posture or blue bar through a recovery animation | Multiple source notes mention interrupting recovery. The skip source ties that interrupt to ranged input during the recovery window before the hand drops. | Record the animation and test whether your verified skill interrupts it now. If it fails, return to the normal palm/kick/toad route. | Current interrupt timing, skill mappings, and posture or blue-bar behavior need proof. | Test row |
| Skip claim | Ranged-bait loop around recovery and dodge behavior | The old shortcut source says ranged attacks can force Gongsun Daye into dodging and can interrupt recovery before the hand-drop effect resolves. | Treat this as a retest target, not the main guide. If you publish a clip later, include patch date, distance, input, and failure cases. | The source says later fix status was unknown. AI behavior, distance, and current-client input terms must be retested. | Old-patch hold |
| Pair source | Gongsun Deng corner route and Daye skill-read claim | The paired shortcut source is compact: it mentions a corner route for Gongsun Deng and a Nameless Sword dodge-skill idea for Gongsun Daye. | Keep it as a lead for the skip-label workflow. Do not merge it into the standard Daye route until position, behavior, and skill labels are proved. | Needs arena position screenshots, current AI behavior proof, and exact Global skill names. | Low-detail hold |
Risk labels
What this page should not overpromise.
Old-patch shortcut
The ranged-bait source says the later fix state was unknown. That is enough reason to keep the route visible but not recommended.
AI read language
Claims that the boss reads or does not read a command can change silently. They need current clips with input and patch date.
Distance numbers
Source values such as 1-2m or 3m are useful testing notes, not final safe-distance instructions.
Skill mapping
Q skill, dodge skill, Nameless Sword, and other input terms need exact Global-client names before guide wording is finalized.
No-damage framing
A route that can loop the boss is still not a public no-damage promise unless failure states and current behavior are documented.
Gongsun Deng corner
Corner-position routes belong in skip labels until current arena collision, boss leash, and behavior are captured.
After-death checklist
Use the next pull to test one thing.
Died to palms
Stop punishing early. Watch the long-tracking starter and save your clean answer for the red-light ender.
Died to Shadowless Kick
Enter with full stamina, dodge out earlier, and practice survival for the whole chain before trying to counter.
Died in toad mode
Pause output as soon as the branch starts. Identify whether it was triple jump, blind/airwave, or wood-stake cues.
Recovery reset the boss
Treat interrupt as a test. If your current skill does not stop the recovery, return to normal route practice.
Skip loop failed
Record distance, input, boss animation, and patch date. Do not keep forcing a shortcut that may be fixed.
Source desk
Every Gongsun row stays traceable.
浴血公孫大爺打法心得Normal route source
Close approach, palm answer, Shadowless Kick stamina handling, toad branches, and recovery interrupt lead.
Open source浴血難度公孫大爺打法心得Normal route cross-check
Additional route detail for Shadowless Kick handling, three-punch-one-kick timing, toad branches, and recovery interrupt lead.
Open source公孫大爺浴血難度蹺課打法Old-patch skip claim
Ranged-bait, recovery-interrupt, distance, and AI-dodge behavior claims. Useful as a retest target, not evergreen advice.
Open source公孫登與公孫大爺蹺課打法Low-detail skip lead
Gongsun Deng corner behavior and Daye skill-read claim. Route through skip labels until arena position and skill terms are proved.
Open sourceBloodbath Boss Routes
Use this when comparing Gongsun Daye against the broader Bloodbath boss desk and all-boss pressure rows.
Open threadCheese and Skip Labels
Use this before turning ranged-bait, corner, no-damage, or old-patch behavior into public instructions.
Open threadBoss Mechanics Ledger
Use this when a Gongsun row needs a clean tell, counter, wipe cause, and proof field.
Open threadBeginner Build Checklist
Use this only after the failure is clearly gear, Inner Ways, tuning, or resource investment instead of boss reading.
Open threadGongsun rule
A good Gongsun page should still help after a cheese route is patched. Keep the normal fight readable, then label shortcut behavior as a retest target.